09 July 2010

Um, About Those Revise and Resubmits . . .

I recently was asked by the exceptional agent I’m reading for (“La Agent” hereafter) to look at a manuscript on which she had requested some revisions. She didn’t tell me what her initial thoughts were, nor what kinds of changes she’d suggested to the writer (she’s always trying to test me :P) (not really) (maybe really). So I read. And there were problems. Not little ones, either. Grr. I started wondering about what kind of suggestions La Agent had given but, even more so, about how much of those suggestions the writer had taken to heart.

Not until I’d sent my thoughts on the manuscript back did La Agent reveal both her notes – and the fact that the writer took three days to “do” the changes.

Ugh.

It is not an impossible feat to do edits in three days. Edits are easy. It’s not even impossible to do some revisions in three nose-to-the-grindstone days. Biggish ones, too. Not that I’ve come across a successful example of that yet in my reading. :/

But I think writers really need to get it out of their heads to do quick revisions. Maybe it's a combination of excitement that OMG THE AGENT LIKES IT! and fear that OMG IF I DON'T DO IT QUICKLY THE AGENT WILL FORGET ABOUT ME!!! that helps drive these fast revisions. I promise, the agent won’t forget your work. Even in a month. Even in a year. I’m not lying about this. The agent obviously saw something intriguing and that spark of interest doesn’t just peter out.

Anyway, La Agent and I discussed the original vs. the revised manuscript, we talked about the continued problems we were seeing and we mourned the rejection to be sent to the writer (I can’t stress enough that agents really, really want to see great work from writers, really, really want to sign writers, really, really don’t love sending rejections). But we also aired our frustrations over writers taking a Revise and Resubmit and not doing a thorough job of it.

We know you don’t have to follow every agent suggestion, you don’t have to add everything s/he wants you to add or cut everything s/he wants you to cut. This is your story. Revisions are suggestions – but they are coming from a place of experience in reading/writing and a knowledge of what editors are seeking. So, no, you don’t have to do everything an agent asks, but please, please take the suggestions to heart! How would I deal with an R&R?

1. Take your time. Read the suggestions. Mull them over before making actual physical changes. Mulling does not take fifteen minutes. New definition of mull: To think or ponder for a LONG TIME. Decide how the suggestions affect/change your characters, your plot, tension, motivations. Rip everything apart to the point that band-aid solutions won’t stop the bleeding. Dig deeper. Revisions are not the same as “rearranging,” nor are they the same as “slap another scene in there somewhere.”

2. Utilize beta readers. If you don’t have any, find some. Find a writer you know and trust and who likes you enough to be honest and thorough but not so much that s/he feels they have to hold something back. We all know beta comments can sting, but You. Will. Not. Become. Better. If. You. Can’t. Take. Constructive. Criticism. Make sure your beta reader(s) understand the changes you’ve tried to implement so that they know what to look for. Give them guidelines and questions to answer.

3. Ideally, you’ve continued to mull over possible changes while your beta(s) read. If you think those changes make the manuscript better, implement them. It’s not required, but when you’re ready to send the manuscript back to the agent (in . . . a few weeks’ time? A couple months’? Those are both OKAY time frames!!!), talk a little bit about the changes you made. I’d be more interested in reading a rambling e-mail from a writer detailing changes and concerns and her/his thought process than simply getting a “Here ya go!” with the new manuscript attached.

It really is okay to take your time. Beneficial, even.

At the end of this whole experience, the agent made this comment in an e-mail to me. It’s a lightning flash/light bulb over the head kind of statement that drives home the idea that you need to take time with your R&R because, while you have *something,* it isn’t there yet:

Dear Writers: If it was a simple revision, I would do it after I signed you.

Since you read this far, I have a funny reward for you (totally not related to the above commentary):


Have a super weekend!!! <3

23 comments:

Amanda Hannah said...

LOL That picture is awesome. And I <3 this post. It's nice hearing it straight from an agent that an R&R doesn't mean they'll forget you. better to err on the side of taking too long as opposed to submitting something that's still not quite right.

selestiele said...

I just forwarded this to a friend who got an R&R just last night. Very helpful information in general, especially as I might be one of those three-day-nose-to-the-grindstone people in my excitement. Thanks so much for posting it.

Also, spit my soda out when I saw the pic at the end. In a good way. Well, in that I was laughing. Not good for my monitor/keyboard.

Leah Petersen said...

LOVE this post. It's great to hear "take your time", yes, because it's so true. But even better the reassurance that it's OK to take the necessary time.

Thank you!

Lee Bross said...

Awesome Kris. I hope the people who need this read it carefully. Agents aren't out to crush dreams, they want good books too!!

Helen said...

As someone in the midst of a R&R--and who freaked out about how long I was taking when I realised I messed up something 35,000 words in--thank you. I really needed to hear this.

I'm totally printing out the agent's comment and sticking it on my wall.

Sam said...

Love this post! This info is super helpful. :)

Kaela said...

I'm so glad I found this! I'm writing my first book and therefore haven't started the literary agent search yet, but this is EXTREMELY valuable info as I hadn't even heard of a Revise & Resubmit Request yet, and I'm sure I would be one of the writers terrified that if I didn't resubmit quickly I would be forgotten about. You have a new follower for LIFE, my friend.

Tory said...

Such a great post, Kristin! What I really want to say is, "What a doofus writer for sending back the MS too soon," but since I'm such a nice person, I'll just keep these thoughts of frustration to myself.

Seriously though, if I were given the chance to R&R, I would definitely take the time needed to make THOROUGH edits before sending to the agent.

Now, thanks to this post, I'll have something (somewhat of a checklist) to follow if ever given the opportunity.:) Have a great weekend!

pensees said...

Awesome post. I found it by a retweet from Natalie Fischer and I am so glad I did. It's great that an agent would give a writer a chance to make revisions (rather than just a flat rejection), so this is great advice on making the best of your 'second chance'.

Sha Boland said...

This is an ace post. Real insider information. As a new(ish) author, I would have no idea of the expected time frames and so would possibly have made the same mistake.
Thank you!

Kirsten Hubbard said...

greeeeat post. I agree entirely. quality revisions, with in-depth brainstorming, game-planning, actually revising, waiting a bit, then rereading and usually making more changes, simply can't be done in a few days. it's a shame some writers rush through an omg!omg! Band-Aid-slapping revisions method when they're given such a great opportunity to make their book better and possibly land rep. there's no ticking clock!

Sessha said...

This makes me feel SO much better - I just finished a revision (which took a month) and sent it off, stomach churning with fear that I'd taken too long. Good to know I (hopefully) will not have been forgotten ;)

Indigo said...

Loved the picture and this post. That last sentence definitely put things into perspective. Thanks! (Hugs)Indigo

Kari said...

The points you bring up here make so much sense--and yet, I can totally understand the other side of the problem, too. Thanks for bringing up such an important topic!

and for finishing it with such a hilarious picture ;)

Amanda J. said...

Great post and terrific quote about revisions and an agent signing. Also, I love that picture!

thanks for sharing!

Michelle Schusterman said...

BITCH, PLEASE.

What? Quoting that freaking awesome picture.

Also, the advice. Genius. Why have I gone all day and not heard about this post? <.< >.>

suzie townsend said...

Great post. It's all too true. Agents don't forget projects if they spent the time to do the notes and ask for revisions - promise :) And that bit about agents not wanting to write rejections, couldn't agree more. I hate writing rejections. I'm always looking for that awesome manuscript, the one I can just love love love.

Girlinbetween said...

As they say slow and steady win the race!

And the picture is beyond brilliant!

Kristin Miller said...

Thank you for all the reading and commenting! I'm so glad this post is helpful - and I'm realizing that another post about R&Rs might be a good idea, too. Explaining what they are, why an agent might ask for one, etc. *brainstorms*

Elana Johnson said...

Awesome points. I feel that panic of getting something back quickly, but I also feel the pressure of doing it right -- and that usually takes time.

Excellent post!

Jude said...

I wish all writers would read this post! I poured my heart out in a revision letter, and the writer emailed it back to me within a few days. But the edits I gave him were not easy ones to make! And what do you know, when I read his revised manuscript, it wasn't much different. In fact, I think it was worse because he just quickly cut all the things I said didn't work, but didn't bother to reconnect and smooth out the remaining paragraphs. SIGH! So after all that work on my part, and all the excitement on his part, I'm going to have to reject it...

Julie Musil said...

This is truly helpful advice. If I were to receive a R&R, I think I'd feel the "hurry, before they change their mind." Thanks for this great piece of advice.

Jenny Torres Sanchez said...

Great post! Really puts the whole revise and resubmit thing in perspective. It's good to know that agents expect and prefer for you to take your time.

And...I choked on my own spit when I saw the reward at the end. Awesome!

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